Watch OUT! AIMBOT #50710 Is About!

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Anyone been banned from CoD4 today? Specifically with reference to an apparent AIMBOT #50710 Hack?

Well I did!

Running nothing out of the ordinary on my PC, though I did install XFire again the other day for the first time in a couple of years.

Config I run, as I have always run, in leagues etc, is a slightly amended copy of one of the pro ones I've always picked up from Jocks site Bash & Slash. These configs have never served me any harm in the past, well, since they were published a good number of years back anyway.

I stream my own servers with PBBans, and I guess you could say my GUID is rooted to part of my livelihood. (GSP)

So, this instantly led me of course to write up a ticket with Even Balance and submit a ban removal request with PBBans. From there I checked the PBBans CoD4 list and to my astonishment, since around 1PM today there have been (At time of this post) Give or take a few, around 110 listed AIMBOT #50710 bans.

PBBans CoD4 List

There are forum threads popping up all over the place in relation to this matter and I'm sure there will be many more bans not listed on PBBans website.

A friendly word of warning to all right now would be to perhaps steer clear of CoD4 right now until they get this bug/issue ironed out.

It sure sucks to stand accused of something you have fought long and hard against for as many moons as you can remember.
 

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i cant even launch the damn game anymore, constant iw3.whatever crash when i launch it every time


i still think cod4 had the best all around formula for ANY FPS game, unfortunately it was soon after butchered for the masses...


oh well bf4 is gonna be some next lvl shit!
 
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Hey all, got my reply from Even Balance, as did numerous others I've been made aware of via PBBans forums.

Well, we all got a nice little copy paste outlined below, can't really call it a reply:

Note #4: The supplied GUID has been associated with hacking or interfering with the normal operation of our PunkBuster software and has therefore been compromised resulting in a global ban from PunkBuster enabled game servers. We have no way of knowing who was actually playing with this GUID at the time the violation was triggered. We also have no way to know if the violation was triggered on your specific computer. Our system does not collect personal information and furthermore we have no way to attach a cheat/hack violation to a specific person. This ban will not be lifted as then the person who did trigger the violation would again be able to join PunkBuster Servers using this GUID.

To be clear: we are not saying that you cheated as we have no way to know who triggered the violation. If it is certain that no one playing on your computer ever had a cheat/hack violation triggered by PunkBuster, then your GUID (CDKey and/or game account password) has been stolen by or leaked to someone who has used it on a different computer to trigger the violation. We do not have the means to help you find out who is responsible for compromising your GUID.

My response to the EB ticket goes as follows.

Thank you for your response to my ticket. Please read through what I have to say in reply. I hope your support will cover answering some of my questions, given the fact this is the only time I have needed it in 12 or so years.

EB: The supplied GUID has been associated with hacking or interfering with the normal operation of our PunkBuster software and has therefore been compromised resulting in a global ban from PunkBuster enabled game servers.
Please then supply me with all notes, information and technical details held in relation to this ban? Also please include all information related directly to the said AIMBOT #50710. What breaches it made to your software and service and how you determined these facts, thus enabling you to act in such a manner.

EB: We have no way of knowing who was actually playing with this GUID at the time the violation was triggered. We also have no way to know if the violation was triggered on your specific computer. Our system does not collect personal information and furthermore we have no way to attach a cheat/hack violation to a specific person.
It is my belief that Even Balance (PunkBuster) has incorporated hardware identifiers and one way secure hashes into your software. Therefore, please correct me if I'm wrong but would this not suggest that you can determine and do actually fully understand the source of every ban you enforce?

EB: To be clear: we are not saying that you cheated as we have no way to know who triggered the violation.
So you have no idea? Is there any legality to such a ban? I should just buy another copy and continue playing the way I always have (WITHOUT CHEATS) and not even blink that you stole me of my purchase?

If I sold a deck of cards to someone and a few hours later found out that whilst they were playing, someone had added an extra card so they could cheat, could I then take the cards back without giving a refund?

EB: If it is certain that no one playing on your computer ever had a cheat/hack violation triggered by PunkBuster, then your GUID (CDKey and/or game account password) has been stolen by or leaked to someone who has used it on a different computer to trigger the violation. We do not have the means to help you find out who is responsible for compromising your GUID.
You do not have the means, understood. Please though, do elaborate on how someone may achieve this in a ‘none physical sense. (I can assure you, my home has not been breached). Therefore what methods could perhaps be used? I have experienced no misfortune in relation to general and overall PC security and health of late. Would the only rational explanation be then, that my GUID has apparently been 'stolen by or leaked' during direct association with the game (Call of Duty 4) or would that breach have come directly from your own services within the said game?

Honestly, I think your reply is nothing more than a copy/paste cop out! You have provided me with no technical information that can or does in any way, truly support your claim. If anything, I do not feel as though there is any honesty in 'your' reply.

I find it rather bizarre that a brand new violation AIMBOT #50710 suddenly appears on a PB radar out of the blue, 146 people get banned and 20hrs 07mins later you cease to enforce any more!

Furthermore I cannot replicate the moment I got banned, IE; I saw the ban listed on the screen. Now I just get server disconnected and if I attempt to re-join - you may not re-join for 1900 minutes (Or something to that effect).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6dSsj97qXc

Would that not completely suggest then, that no such GUID/cdkey breach could have ever have taken place? The Ban screen would have only ever been seen by the mysterious man who stole all my details right? - Cop Out? Or would you now wholeheartedly suggest that I am indeed a cheat and instigator of the event?

Since 2004 when I set up my first gaming community I have always praised PB over all other anti-cheat programs. Always hoped the games I have looked forward to release would come with your program on them and not your competitions. Through my competitive years I was always happy you had things covered. And now, into my newly found GSP business, all new servers I have recently set-up, have your services on and streaming as standard. As a community leader I was always proud of our track record, we never recruited any single known or since found cheater. We did what we could as a community and every now and again supported PBBans by way or a couple of small but appreciative donations.

Now at near forty years of age, you guys throw this in my face, with a pitiful copy/paste ticket reply and without valid explanation. I have fought against hackers for as long as I can remember. I enjoy the PC gaming community on the whole and have met some truly great friends and people along the way.

Other than my silly, competitive in game rants, I'd like to think I've done my bit for the community, certainly in terms of chasing down the bad guys. Tell me please, what faith could I ever have in PunkBuster again given the sorry looking statement you just sent my way.

What possible motive or reasoning could I have in cheating at my age, when my business and a part of my livelihood is rather dependent on my clean record? I sincerely hope that you either investigate this matter further, and properly! Or just leave it as it is, you can each go home to your mirrors and take a long hard look at yourselves. Are you really what a gaming community needs, both now and certainly in the future?

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Does anyone have or know where I can obtain the Even Balance business address please?

I will keep you posted in relation to any further progress #FAILS that come my way.

Cheers, Sped
 

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Yes, their response *IS* a cut and paste. I got the same exact response to my ticket. I responded and they came back and said the original response was all they had to say and locked the ticket.

Unacceptable. I now can't play COD4 on my own clan's servers, and I won't risk playing BF3 or COD:WAW because those have loads of people getting hit with a similar thing.

So my gaming computer (that I just put together) is pretty much useless thanks to them.

We need everyone that has been hit with this to put in a ticket.
 
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*Update - Just for the record, so I don't get banned from here too! Everything I post here is coming from me, they are my opinions and I'm in no way affiliated with FPSAdmin.com

PBBans restricted my streaming account with them upon refusal of ban appeal with Even Balance. I appreciate their standing on the streaming matter but they banned me from continuing debate in their forums too. In fact they blocked my whole account so I can't edit personal details, the full shebang.

In light of their actions, given the fact I'm completely innocent and the fact that no one has provided any substantial evidence to support Even Balance's claim. I have forwarded a polite legal letter to PBBans requesting that they remove all personal details and any information that can be directly linked to me from their database. As of today, I have still not received a reply.

The forum thread I was posting in on their website can be found HERE

Because they muted my streaming admin account I today felt I had things to say on the matter and so rejoined the website under an alias name so I could post.

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Here is the post in its entirity:

I completely understand that
This forum (PBBans) does not belong to, 'and is not' affiliated with Even Balance
a great disclaimer, but PBBans does however wholeheartedly support every decision Even Balance makes. As individuals you may not, (Who Knows) but as an organisation, you do, you have too, or else, what would be the point.

This is clearly visible by the manner of which you treat every user that ever had the finger pointed at them by the PunkBuster service. User accounts are marked and services and all access to PBBans services simply ceases to function.

PBBans & other streaming services were born on the back of PunkBuster. It is becoming more and more apparent that even though PBBans greatly enhance ‘Even Balance’s - PunkBuster’ service for them, they don’t even give you the time of day in relation to the finer details of specific bans. You get the same as everyone else, “Automated responses with their simple brush off techniques”. Your hands are tied, even when their haphazard actions, like it or not, have a direct negative impact on your own service and name.

It is hoped, that as an organisation, PBBans are fighting our corner and have our backs covered. But it would generally appear that you always respond with similar brush off styled sentiments (Similar to Even Balance’s) – We are not affiliated with etc.

Wake up folks, it is 2013! Even Balance is nothing more than a corporate fuelled monkey lab, funded by each of our pockets. Yes, I appreciate their need for a certain level of anonymity. Dealing with cheaters can, I would imagine, have numerous adverse effects. It is a program that will undoubtedly generate negative vibes and malicious behaviour from those unstable enough to cheat in the first place.

The fact of the matter is, Even Balance – PunkBuster are completely “OFF” The radar as far as I can see. This must be cause for concern in itself. Think about it, what is the sole purpose of PunkBuster from a business perspective? It’s not to keep servers clean for the likes of you and I, though that’s what they are happy for us to believe, and yes, PB does certainly help. It is all about maintaining a paying audience, thus ensuring everyone who plays, has paid. Whilst also maintaining some level of anti cheat solutions they also ensure we come back and pay for some more of the same in the future. Their deep routed, core principals have the corporate entities best interests at heart. So long as Anti Cheat software is controlled by such hidden and masked entities, nothing will ever change.

They are also aware that if they hand out a number of false bans now and again, the avid and fanatical gamer will have little option but to run out and “BUY” another copy if they wish to continue playing!

I completely agree with you @coltsrnum107, however, Even Balance will no doubt argue that they do have means of communication with their users via their ticketing system. Great service that provides! 4 days, 6 Posts and one ‘*u** u automated reply’ in return. I could seek better support from a company of Punks that had gone Bust!

Even Balance - PunkBuster have a label on their tin that says "Even Balance, Inc. is staffed by a group of avid gamers who are also Information Technology Professionals." Unfortunately for it users, the statement does not also include: Award winning customer services.

If anything, it should perhaps read:
Even Balance, Inc. is staffed by a group of corporate masterminds who really just employ Information Technology Professionals. We lack communication skills and we never interact with our users. Our customer service ideals are about as old as our website theme and layout. We have not moved forward in relation to these matters since we first designed our service around a need to keep you buying the games that use our software.

Would the techies amongst the gaming community stand up and design their own service? Of course they would. Would the publishers allow it? Not on your life. It’s already covered by Even Balance right?

We are slaves to their system and I for one cannot see how there is any legality in stripping someone of their legal purchase and ownership rights without providing adequate and sufficient technical evidence. In cases such as these maybe multiple court cases would give them a kick in the right direction. “That’s if you could find them”!

It would appear Even Balance are a complete a law unto themselves, something seriously needs to be done about their ways and means!

Unfortunately it has taken this ‘gamer many years of purchases and game time to realise. I received an AIMBOT #50710 violation. Prior to that, and when the going is good, why look into a problem that simply does not appear to be there.

They just kicked me and I have opened my eyes!

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Within minutes of posting my account was firstly restricted, then moments later deactivated with a single response from a PBBans operations staff member was - Are you ready for it? "actually, it was several days and forum accounts ago...."

EH? You what? - 4 days, 6 Posts was mentioned Mr Operations Staff Member, the "They just kicked me" line was not meant 'literally'. (For further reference, this was aimed at Even Balance, not PBBans and this was the only, secondary account I created). Seriously, if you don't have anything constructive to say, why even bother.

I don't know, I now feel like PBBans are now playing large part to the problem. Don't get me wrong, the complete irony here is; I think the service PBBans offer is fantastic, I have donated to them in the past and thoroughly appreciate 'most' of what they do. I have to say most because I can't condone them culling peoples right to debate and freedom of speech within their public 'SUPPORT' forums. Other than that, they offer a service I have always felt necessary to use within my servers.

It would certainly appear that the PBBans volunteers are not willing too, or are individually unable to debate rationally themselves. Perhaps through fear of losing their role within PBBans, or perhaps they just don't have it in them, who knows. Whatever it is, I personally feel their actions are just making them look quite insubordinate.

So, I guess you can see how I'm feeling right now about this whole scenario...

Maybe I'm the crazy one, who knows? Its all about principal, my personal morals simply won't allow me to bow down and accept the false and damming accusations that have been brought against me.
 

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No worries DaSped, unless you attack someone personally here no one will be banned from this site.

:salute:
 
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Haha, no chance of that rudedog, FPSAdmin is a fourm sanctuary, sent forth from the game gods of modareth. I thought you knew....

;)
 
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Just stumbled on this via a Google.

I realise completely that many people may have their reservations and not feel too comfortable signing it but, perhaps you know someone you trust that has just fallen victim to 50710. Perhaps you have been through a similar experience or just simply understand our frustration.

I also realise that it may not hold any weight at all when it comes to achieving anything EB related.

The thing is, I'd sign anything right now if it would get me my GUID back to a nice 'ordinary' status.

If you feel inclined to sign, you can visit THIS PETITION SITE

Thanks.
 
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As most will already know AIMBOT 50710 is an Even Balance/Punkbuster ban that was first raised on the 12th March 2013. Many people are contesting the ban, claiming there are many false positives amongst the list. I, as you probably guessed am one of those people.

As a CoD4 player, ex-competitive player, community leader, server administrator and PBBan stream user. It is more than safe for me to say, I have always been clean!

I returned to CoD4 around five or six months ago because I was not enjoying other games currently on the market. I almost immediately found the [****] Crossfire server. I find settling back into a game always takes a while when you have been off playing different games. During this period, and whilst in the afore mentioned server, I made brief acquaintance with ***** (PBBans - Staff). I mentioned to him that I had history with the game as I had noted numerous hackers in his server when he was not around. Because of this I told him I could do some admin for him if he ever needed someone.

To my surprise he then checked my GUID and came back within moments with most my history in relation to CoD4. This was the point when he relayed his involvement with PBBans and I knew I have found a decent, well maintained server to play in. I guess I could even say that I have played in a max of five other servers in all the time since our acquaintance. Not because I really had much interest in becoming admin, but because I knew he ran such a tight ship. Certainly the bulk of my game time was always spent in the [****] server.

Sure, I got kicked a handful of times off B3 for my language (I like a little rant, when the game has me wired ‘it’s in the genes.) I had seen throughout my time there that he and his admins would join under alias names so they could catch people out and stomp on hackers. Either that or there were a lot more of them than I had first thought when I asked if he needed help. (I liked this policy, you only need to look at my PBBans IGN history to see, that’s exactly what I used to do) I have gamed with ***** and his Admins on many occasion and dare say been spectated by them too. The day before my ban, I had a round with ***** himself. It was just game on as usual.

If at any time I had looked dodgy, raised “Any” suspicions, I know! [****] ***** or any one of his admins would have submitted a demo of me without thinking twice. Such things are a comfort to know, if you want to play clean against other likeminded clean players.

AIMBOTS, any past or present server admins will tell you, as will most players, are really not too hard spot at all.

Do I really believe that **** and his admins failed to spot anything I may have done that came even remotely close to hacking? Specifically, using said AIMBOT. Do I believe all the regulars there whom I have built bonds with would have kept completely quiet whilst I ruined everyone's game?

“ABSOLUTELY AND EMPHATICALLY NOT”!

Yet here I am. Has **** or any of the server admins come forward to say, hold up! Something may well be amiss here. Have any of the PBBans staff, who no doubt have their own servers with players they trusted, said anything even remotely along those lines?

“ABSOLUTELY NOT”!

Honest opinion, we are talking AIMBOT here, you know, the kind that render most servers empty within a few minutes. Scores that are simply wipe the floor clean with everyone else’s in the server. Need I really go on?

Sorry, but I do not think that this is PBBans standing up to be counted and supporting their donating and trusting community in a manner that can be deemed respectable.

Is locking out banned users and streaming admins under such circumstance really the direction these guys should be going? Complete “Support” forum lockouts and numerous half-hearted, slightly attitude ridden forum comments from PBBans staff for my liking.

I’m unsure if this part is an age of staff issue they are currently experiencing or just a big failure on them showing any mature constraint. Most the posts they seem to be picking on are the ones they could have just left alone to be honest. With most of the constructive stuff coming from either Joe Blogs or Streaming server admins within their system.

The very essence of a forum is that it is deemed to be a place for “open discussion”! The title on theirs includes SUPPORT!

Amusing! Once banned, I cannot access most of their pages, but the donations page is wide open and accessible. Lol.

In terms of the AIMBOT #50710 ban itself, it was reported today by a PBBans Streaming Admin that he had indeed filmed one such hacker that was banned by the 50710 ban, before they had had chance to view his demo. He provided a download to the file, which I have placed HERE and the individuals profile located HERE

As you can see, this demo is rather clearly cut and the AIMBOT just a tad present!

This puts a rather large spanner in the works in terms of how do I/we now show, we are not all honestly such lamers too!

More to the point, I honestly fear we stand little chance of Even Balance declaring a false positive on this one. Despite the oodles of people contesting, do I honestly think they could/would possibly spend the time differentiating between positives and false positives? NO! But I have to remain hopeful in the sense, #50710 ban numbers are continuing to expand, and more and more people are standing up to be counted. Clan leaders, community friends etc. are all beginning to take a stance. Remember folks, this is an AIMBOT. Do you honestly think you would not know if your long term gamer friend had been using one?

Some software, somewhere, surely has to be identified and pinpointed as the culprit. Deep sigh!

I’d be quite happy to give any member of the PBBans team or Even Balance full remote access to my PC. Whilst also connected via Skype to allow them to watch my every move. Let them scan my PC with anything they wanted before I install a new copy of the game and fire it up. If I get the kick, as others are reporting they do, they can then be a direct witness, change their stance on the matter and call for further investigation. (This would be what I call – Supporting your community PBBans!)

What’s the likelihood of this happening, I would imagine next to none. Certainly not with me! I don’t they are too keen on little old Mr Sped for reasons unbeknown to me.

I just don’t get it. There is not even a real level of optimism in PBBans tones.

Despite False Positives being called out and standing in the past. By acting this way, I do feel they are burning their bridges slightly, with everything else I mentioned earlier in this post.

What is really also bugging me is Even Balance it is my complete belief that Even Balance “really are” just a complete law unto themselves. Why else would a legitimate company even attempt to trade anonymously? They clearly do not trade “under” or “as” Even Balance or PunkBuster. (Securities & Exchange Commission) I must therefore pose the questions; is this because they are completely legitimate? Or is this because there is a seriously fine line in the legality of their operation?

First up, Even Balance is about as responsive as a Xmas Turkey asked to sing carols. Their answers are vague and read rather like a bizarre childish disclaimer of some description. No authority in the world can convict an individual without providing complete, incontestable proof. (Yet they can, and clearly do). I have to question this and therefore the complete legality of their operation. They are the Police, how on earth can they be the court and judges too?

Proof or money back please uneven imbalance.. Yeah right!

Finally, I’d just like to request that PBBans take a serious look into the way they are acting. The public/gamer/user perception of them is beginning to sour, that much I can sense. I just hope that they see some sense, choose the light at the end of the tunnel and go for it.

I might also stress, that many people simply do not understand PBBans place in all this, they blame them directly for the ban. I think they have become jaded by this and constantly retaliate to it, wrongfully.

My beef is their arrogance and clear reluctance to support their community. They are putting Even Balance on a pedestal, wrong way round and inside out folks. Certainly for me anyway.
 

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I have been hit by this too, but had different reply from EB

I would like to say I am not savvy enough to install aimbots or other hacks, I did learn to key bind but have forgotten it now. My ratio is not good enough to be a hacker.I also invite anyone to inspect my PC, I am on the south coast of UK. This is the reply I got from my appeal on EB.

Note #3: We do not find this violation to be triggered in error, and it will not be removed. It is at the discretion of the third-party ban list administrator to remove any ban given as a result of this violation.

It appears they are saying someone else reported me to them and they didn't detect me directly? Or am I reading this wrong?
I have asked for contact details of third party but I must admit I am expecting them to refuse.

It seems to me that everyone other than EB and punk buster streaming services realise this is in error, many servers appears to have stopped using PB (which is a real shame as always liked the fact that it was there to level the field).

This has so damaged their reputation and if servers stop using their service is damaged their business too.

I must admit that I will be thinking twice to buying any game with a cheat protection if it means I can lose the game for a false detection. I think that is so wrong on a honest consumer.
 
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Hi Cannon Fodder,

Was this ban for the same violation #50710?

I'm not sure, but I have read elsewhere also that people have received this message from Even Balance.

I guess what it means is that the ban was enforced whilst you were using a server that streams PB. Have you checked the ban lists for your name to see if its there?

You can check PBBans MBL HERE

Or the GGC list HERE

It is highly likely you will be on one of those lists, if you source your details, you will know who to contact in relation to your ban. Maybe don't get your hopes up just yet, see how you go.

Please let me/us know how you get on. There is a slight bright side to all this, you popped your FPSAdmin cherry ! Great place for all game related news and info :)
 

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Hell yea same ban.

Yes it was for same fake violation.
It appears its from PBBans as its on their list but no GGC.
However its says that its an even balance ban on the PBBans site.
Do I try to get myself unbanned with PBBans?
Even Balance has said its up to them but as far as I can see its a one shot try, if they say no its a perm no.
Is anyone a solicitor? Fancy suing them for thief and see what happens? They will have to have proof there was a cheat to be able to stand in court for sure (I hope anyway).
On a different note Lemonbudz have you plugged your mic in, if I dont have a mic plugged in COD4 wont run. Its a windows 7 thing appearently. Was not needed under XP but needs to be in under windows 7.
 
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Requesting they review your ban will not do any more harm than is already done to be honest. I have to say though, PBBans will take Even Balance for their word as final, then they don't like you asking them questions about that. (See rants above) :)

The bottom line is, it is all about Even Balance working out what software is causing the issue. I have been advised off friends to Re-install Win7 and don't run anything other than a stock 'new copy' of MW.

That is fine, but I can't just cease my business for a week whilst I back everything up, port everything onto an external drive. Then go through re-installing all my required work programs just to see if I can tear up a twenty pound note if the plan fails.

The court thing would be a plan, however, I can not for the life of me find Even Balance. I have just opened a new ticket as they locked the last one without any answer to my questions. (I wasn't too harsh, I asked politely)

Such a professional service we pay for.
 

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EB address

its on their web site as
http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=info.php
Even Balance, Inc.
814 San Jacinto Blvd Suite 303
Austin, Texas 78701
So we would need an american solicitor however there is a wiki page that says the according to their EULA, Even Balance has the final say in matters of banning.
So I doubt that would help however if enough noise was made about false bans it may effect the big software houses subscribing to their software.... here is hoping.

I would go down the route of re-install however I have a razor mouse and I have heard that may be an issue as there is another model of mouse that you can cheat with?? I have an old diamondback so not even the expensive ones. You can record macros which I think is where the cheats come in but I cant get it to work with anything lol. Like I said I was told how to key bind in game but I cant remember.
 
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PMSL

That's brilliant !

I have been searching everywhere too, well apparently not. "Savage Fail"! :)

Mr ranty pants here just got his ass brought right back down to earth. Love it. Leave it with me, and let me sleep on it. I will post back with a fresher head mate.

*EDIT

Holy crap! Now I know its WIKI but:

There is no ethical or regulatory oversight of Punkbuster or Even Balance. Based on their EULA they have complete access to a user's computer: their personal information, bank account information, online purchase history, or anything stored on the computer or viewable using its display. Punkbuster simply expects users to trust them. In PunkBuster's EULA, PunkBuster notes they are invasive, and that they reserve the right to inspect someone's entire harddrive and all of their files:
"Licensee understands and agrees that the information that may be inspected and reported by PunkBuster software includes, but is not limited to, Licensee's Internet Protocol Address, devices and any files residing on the hard-drive and in the memory of the computer on which PunkBuster software is installed." "Further, Licensee consents to allow PunkBuster software to transfer actual screenshots taken of Licensee's computer during the operation of PunkBuster software for possible publication." "Licensee agrees that any harm or lack of privacy resulting from the installation and use of PunkBuster software is not as valuable to Licensee as the potential ability to play interactive online games with the benefits afforded by using PunkBuster software." (Source)

I never knew the shizzle ran that deep, just shows what those quick clicks can potentially mean. Scary!

They have so much access yet they are not saying I cheated!

Note #4: The supplied GUID has been associated with hacking or interfering with the normal operation of our PunkBuster software and has therefore been compromised resulting in a global ban from PunkBuster enabled game servers. We have no way of knowing who was actually playing with this GUID at the time the violation was triggered. We also have no way to know if the violation was triggered on your specific computer. Our system does not collect personal information and furthermore we have no way to attach a cheat/hack violation to a specific person. This ban will not be lifted as then the person who did trigger the violation would again be able to join PunkBuster Servers using this GUID.

To be clear: we are not saying that you cheated as we have no way to know who triggered the violation. If it is certain that no one playing on your computer ever had a cheat/hack violation triggered by PunkBuster, then your GUID (cdkey and/or game account password) has been stolen by or leaked to someone who has used it on a different computer to trigger the violation. We do not have the means to help you find out who is responsible for compromising your GUID.
 

Cannon Fodder

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#18
It was found by accident.

Google lead me to the wiki page and then I spotted a link to that page in the search.

In one of your rants, did you mention that you know a PBBans employee?
I think I will wait to appeal until PBBans start to agree that this is a fake ban but it would be good to hear a personal opinion of an employee as to the word in the office. Obviously this would not be taken as the view or answers from PBBans themselves just a personal opinion.

Looking at how they ban it may work to re-install as this is not a global hardware ban, but I don't want to have to do that every time I get caught by this fake trigger as people are still be caught by it now.

I don't think a law suit would win due to the EULA allowing them to do anything however the publicity may have an effect. My fear is that is what it will take to get anything done by I worry about the damage it may do to the anti-cheat industry. I wholly support having anti cheat software however I object to innocent parties getting banned. I would liken it to the legal system imprisoning people who may have done an offence. I think we need proof, where is the proof?

Ranting again lol
 

Cannon Fodder

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I would agree but

Today there have been 28 bans so far listed on PBBans site.
11 of those have been for this aimbot 50710 issue alone.
Its entirely up to the admins if they want to move the thread but at this rate of detection is this still not news??
 
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