Short shelf life on this one

wcSki

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My clan is already moving back to COD: Black Ops. A few gave this game a good chance, but the whole sale changes to the weapons in the last server patch did it in for us. The game now needs some form of HardCore mode for us.

Not to mention administration of this game server just SUCKS. I can not believe a respected development team could not even get rcon/administration right. Hackers are one thing.... but no way to effectively deal with them is another.

We will be closing down are empty server when this months lease runs out. Its to bad too. Mod tools, HC mode, and more / different game types with a working way to admin the servers could have made this game.

Should have done a beta to work these issue out before release if you wanted this game to be a successful SERIES, I do not see any of my clan purchases round number two now.

Ski
 
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I'd agree with a short shelf life. Player count online started dropping when the hacking started getting popular. Fewer populated servers results in few servers not having some hacker ruining the gameplay. I had hopes for this one TBH. The CoD thing is getting old (or rather not what it once was) and I didn't get too much into BFBC2 or HoS or other FPS'. I find myself going after the Ironman achievements in SP for Homefront now (I wish you could skip the cinematics for this game). My problem is I don't buy games for single player, I buy them to play against others in multiplayer... and if HF2 is going to more of the same multiplayer experience, the game won't be on my list.
 
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I'd agree with a short shelf life. Player count online started dropping when the hacking started getting popular. Fewer populated servers results in few servers not having some hacker ruining the gameplay. I had hopes for this one TBH. The CoD thing is getting old (or rather not what it once was) and I didn't get too much into BFBC2 or HoS or other FPS'. I find myself going after the Ironman achievements in SP for Homefront now (I wish you could skip the cinematics for this game). My problem is I don't buy games for single player, I buy them to play against others in multiplayer... and if HF2 is going to more of the same multiplayer experience, the game won't be on my list.
I'm not saying hackers don't exist in Homefront because clearly they do, but personally I've never seen one. The fact is, it is very easy to look like a hacker in Homefront because it is so easy to kill with certain weapons (the ACR is just a pure killing machine). Even I've been accused on more than one occasion of cheating simply because I stay off radar by using Ghost and a silencer on my ACR, and as there is no recoil on the ACR when you have Steady Aim as one of your perks, it is very very easy to kill several players in one go because they have absolutely no idea where you are until its too late. As I say, so easy to kill in Homefront, it's very easy to get tagged as a cheat if you look too good to be true.

My theory about the player numbers dropping off is the over-powered vehicles. An infantry man stands no chance against a helicopter gun ship, and you can't shoot them down because there are no guided missiles in Homefront. Just lately I've tried to play on no vehicle servers (they are very scarce), and the game is superb when there aren't any tanks patrolling the objectives ready to chop you in half as you try to cap one, or a helicopter constantly killing you as you die, spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn.

So, the way to enjoy Homefront is to not have vehicles in it.
 
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Well this isn't very well reasoned but I have not played it for a while and have no interest in playing it now. I stopped playing when the snipers kept on killing and camping. Waited for the patch, tried the game after the patch and it felt all wrong. What was a good game apart from the snipers was now just a bit crap, a game I did not want to play.
 

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My theory about the player numbers dropping off is the over-powered vehicles. An infantry man stands no chance against a helicopter gun ship, and you can't shoot them down because there are no guided missiles in Homefront. Just lately I've tried to play on no vehicle servers (they are very scarce), and the game is superb when there aren't any tanks patrolling the objectives ready to chop you in half as you try to cap one, or a helicopter constantly killing you as you die, spawn, die, spawn, die, spawn.

So, the way to enjoy Homefront is to not have vehicles in it.
I agree..the vehicles are way too powerful and there are far to many at any one time, the poor old foot soldier simply gets bulldozed over and over again..

Just another example of what a more public beta test would have priovided by way of gameplay feedback...Too many vehicles can kill your game..lol

We have been running an infantry only server since day 1 but even then you can't turn off personal drones so you still get vehicles appearing..lol..Even so it is a lot more fun and a little bit more of a challenge..
 

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On are server we actually turned the vehicles off but some how people have figured out how to get vehicles any ways. All I can think of is it is some sort of hack. I know I can not get/spawn a vehicle. But other players have in the server.

Also, its not really the hackers for me that caused the short shelf life. Hackers will always be part of FPS games, sad as that is. No WORKING admin tool at release was a major problem. They needed to give server admin the abilities to deal with the hackers.

Also as was stated. the recent server update actually made the whole game feel wrong. Made it play worse then it did pre-patch. If they would have left the flak jacket and other weapon changes out of the patch and only adjusted the sniper my clan "might" still be playing the game. Only really have two different game modes is pretty weak IMO as well.

Sad, I really had high hopes for the title. If they wanted to make this a series... they needed to be much better with this 1st title IMO.

Ski
 

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On are server we actually turned the vehicles off but some how people have figured out how to get vehicles any ways. All I can think of is it is some sort of hack. I know I can not get/spawn a vehicle. But other players have in the server.
Maybe Edmar/Kinsman can shed some light on this one? If noone can purchase vehicles then you shouldnt see any?!
 

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Come on why don't the developpers trust just a tad more the already established large modding community which has proved its resourcefulness time and again.

Or are they in love with the mushroom effect. Keep it all in the dark and well coveerd in manure. No wonders some games die young.
Boggles the mind. My homefront is now nailed on my basement wall as 'Nature Morte"
 

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I agree..the vehicles are way too powerful and there are far to many at any one time, the poor old foot soldier simply gets bulldozed over and over again..

Just another example of what a more public beta test would have provided by way of gameplay feedback...Too many vehicles can kill your game..lol

We have been running an infantry only server since day 1 but even then you can't turn off personal drones so you still get vehicles appearing..lol..Even so it is a lot more fun and a little bit more of a challenge..

I posted this so many times as feedback. The drones should also count as vehicles so on infantry mode there would be no drone spamming. I guess the parrot could be an exception but even then I can imagine those same assault drone spammers just sitting back spotting the whole match and then launching airstrikes with the points.
I would like to see a non drone/non vehicle/non airstrike infantry mode.
 

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I agree, I think the drones should be included in no vehicles setups. I would not even mind still having the ability to call in air strikes if they had a timer you could set so it was not one after another all the darn time.

Since the latest patch though I have not played the game hardly at all. The weapon changes or flak jacket change just made it not "feel" the same.

Ski
 

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To me, this is all due to the arrogance of the developer making the assumption that they know better than those who play these games...

This could easily have been prevented with the release of either mod tools or the ability to configure those things in server configs. It's not rocket science ... let the server admins make the choices, and if they fail, it's on them.
 

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I hate to say it, but after Frontlines I was expecting this game to be the same. Maybe people will stop buying their games eventually.
 

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But ya gota love being able to run at full speed through machine gun fire and sink a blade into the shooters chest...right?;)

But, then the hacker words start flying about the server and the foulness that is the internet erupts on the server without any means to quell it.

When KAOS was claiming to be in unison with the PC FPS'rs I said prove it...well, we all know where that went. Lost in the Microsoft machine to destroy PC gaming and control the gaming industry. Just another sell-out at the expense of the PC gamers. lol the checks in the mail!

I will go to my grave before I ever purchase a console. I should just chalk up my latest $1,800 gaming system to an error in judgment.

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Dear Intel, AMD, ASUS, Corsair, NVIDIA, ATI, and all the PC equipment manufactures out there I failed to list, shove it up your ass's...NO MO MONEY!!
Might have been financially advantageous to back the people buying billions of $ worth of hardware and PC games.
 

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It's sad to see this game in this state, it has so much potential.

I don't understand how they can spend 2 years on a project like this then just refuse to listen to the people who are playing the game.

Can this game and future DLC/Sequels be saved? Unless they release that 1st. DLC for free and make some serious adjustments to the gameplay and add more gameplay modes it will be a fail all around. Many will never buy their product again due to their lack of support.

But hey, who are we to know anything. They made the game so they know it all... that's their attitude anyway.
 

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Can this game and future DLC/Sequels be saved? Unless they release that 1st. DLC for free and make some serious adjustments to the gameplay and add more gameplay modes it will be a fail all around. Many will never buy their product again due to their lack of support.
Somehow i doubt this will happen... :mad:

But hey, who are we to know anything. They made the game so they know it all... that's their attitude anyway.
Yep, im baffled as well! And the talks of Homefront 2 in the making are a right joke with the game's popularity right now :rolleyes:
 

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Yep, im baffled as well! And the talks of Homefront 2 in the making are a right joke with the game's popularity right now :rolleyes:
What popularity are you referring to Zeroy? By my accounts it's dieing like another recent title with the same business model. (by the way how are ya Zeroy?)

I believed KAOS and took a chance that this game was going to be different. Not to throw more mud on the wall, but I was given free DLC form you know who...and my subscription to the "Exclusive" server company seems to be extended by magic and none of my money. Although too little too late, my distaste for the current business model grows ever increasingly repugnant.

Maybe it's time to get the initial games for free and then pay for DLC. Since we see more and more produced animation for the trailers that do not even come close to resembling the actual game play. Then, they ice the cake with pure propaganda. This seems to be the new business trait that's being tolerated since the ENRON scams. Hey, if we don't support the game companies, will they be bailed out by the feds?

Ya know, it's easier to steal $1 from a million people than it is to steal 1 million from 1 person.

Question, why are we still playing on DX9? Oh now I remember, that's all the consoles can handle.

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We (PC gamers) hold a 16% share of a 24 billion dollar a year industry. That's at the very least negotiating power for sure...exercise your muscle!
 

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So I have to say, I bought the game a couple of days ago on the Direct2drive sale.

I am pleasantly surprised. I haven't had any problems with gameplay with the latest patch. This game is actually pretty fun. I can't compare it to previous patch versions as I haven't played it with those.

I also downloaded CODBLOPS on Steam's free to play weekend. That game really sucks, especially in comparison to Homefront. I can't believe how much worse the BLOPS graphics were. I liked Treyarch's CODWaW a lot, but BLOPS doesn't look good and the gameplay feels like that dreadful free-to-play fps, Crossfire.

It's really too bad Kaos/DE/THQ didn't figure out what they were doing sooner. I'd really like Homefront to succeed as it's really fun. Probably too late for that at this point though. If they'd only done a demo and patched it pre-release, we might be talking real FPS longevity and a quality franchise
 

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I am loving this game, we run a GC(BC) server and had no problems till the browser issue at the last update. Still working to get our population back but i usually get joined soon after i idle for a while.

I put up the score limits and increased the timer to 40 minutes and this has allowed for some grt rounds <---- remember its like the best of 3 rounds so not that long really if it goes to the last round.

I am used to the softcore damage now and have no issues with hit reg etc. Some of my clan members dont like it compared to blops but it is quite a different game out of the box.

The vehicles are good and can be countered as long as your team works together, which is more likley to happen on a clan run server. It has a great street battle map "Cul-De-Sac" and fighting house to house is great fun.

If you see this in the bargain bin its worth a punt ......... in fact i know its a very reasonable price over at www.keys4.me <----- less than EU18 ;) Just hoping that we get a couple of fresh FREE maps soon lol
 

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I think the game is lacking something, player experiences is very mixed. Sometimes you have a great time especially if you are with friends. A good server makes all of the difference but when it goes bad it goes very bad in deed! If you are on your own or are playing in a server without admins it's frustratingly bad.
 
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