List of Bright/Neon skins for Delator

will_514

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Cleaner said:
hey can someone tell me what the so called "1" skin looks like or what it is I have had this pop up a couple of times today in the server after adding it to my list of skins and was just curious what type of skin it is
I'd like to know this as well. I have it in my ban list and catch is often. It would be bad if this were a bug suffered by Mac users or some foreign-language MOHAA versions. It could also be a side-effect of certain cheats.

I saw another thread here where the admin caught a player who had this skin. The player was known to the admin and the admin "knew" this player did not cheat. I think we've all been surprised by catching players we thought were clean, BTW. The player in question had a Dutch (I think) language version of MOHAA.

Any info would be appreciated.
 

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But, There are pak's that has cheats under the same name as the normal skins.
(Eg. German_winter_1, German_winter_2 ect...)
 
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Hi All,

Just a quick question, is German_Winter_1 another cham "safe" skin?. I know N3O's cham skins use _2 at the end but someone had the _1 skin on our server.

Just wondering, they were bloody rubbish though so I don't know if it worked for them if it is a cheat :D

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Poor_Eyesight_Pete said:
Just a quick question, is German_Winter_1 another cham "safe" skin?. I know N3O's cham skins use _2 at the end but someone had the _1 skin on our server.
There are 2 stock skins with _1 and _2 at the end :
German_Winter_1
German_Winter_2

So the cheater's "safe" skin would look like this:

german_winter_1_2
german_winter_2_2
or
german_winter_1_1
german_winter_2_1
or
german_winter_1_N
german_winter_2_N
 

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Re: Skins

wizard220 said:
I input the honesty settings like I should and guess what im being kicked for cheatskin 1 again. SO what the f*** is that cheatskin 1 about and why cant you use the current honesty settings with delator. If anyone else is having this trub pls post here....
Please post the honesty settings you used. We'll see if we can tell which settings could be causing this problem.

-Will
 
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This is definitly a problem. Delator is detecting skins with a 2 at the end as cheat skins. The only thing is mohaa counter intelegence has a new anti-hack skin feature which forces all players on server to switch to stock skins that end with a 2. So if you were playing on a server that had mohaa ci running and it forced these skins on you and then go to a server with delator , you will be detected as having cheat skins, which of course you dont. This is a major conflict. :?
 

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razorbakill said:
This is definitly a problem. Delator is detecting skins with a 2 at the end as cheat skins. The only thing is mohaa counter intelegence has a new anti-hack skin feature which forces all players on server to switch to stock skins that end with a 2. So if you were playing on a server that had mohaa ci running and it forced these skins on you and then go to a server with delator , you will be detected as having cheat skins, which of course you dont. This is a major conflict. :?
I'm not sure what you mean.

Delator will only flag skins that admins put in the cheat skin list. If I catch a guy with german_winter_2_2, I know he has a cheat installed but is not using it at the moment. I ban that guy because I know he is probably willing and certainly able to cheat.

I believe what CI does is attempt to force the german_winter_2_2 skin (or some other cheat "safe" skin). If you don't have the cheat, you change to the default stock skin. This way, anyone who successfully gets changed to german_winter_2_2 has the cheat installed. He deserves to get banned.

What's the problem there? We're catching guys who have the cheat skins installed, even if they are not using them at the time.
 
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Thanks for the answer Will. Just realised how dumb my question was though. :D

You said that these two were cheat safe skins - german_winter_1_N & german_winter_2_N - but I had someone one with allied_airborne_N & german_afrika_officer_N on today.

Are they safe skins as well, I wouldn't want to kick someone if they are ok?

cheers
 
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um, will , your wrong, If you've run both programs you would know. Mohaa CI (counter intelgence) another anti-cheat program has a feature that forces skins. (anti-hack skin). What this does is force a skin that dosen't excist (ex. american_ranger_2) and all other stock skins the same way. ( allied_sas_2, german_elite_sentry_2, etc) When you look at your multiplayer options it will say this is the skin you are using (american_ranger_2) but there is no picture or model showing, its blank. This is used with the screenshot, when you ask a player to send you a screenshot that you forced of the models, it should show no models, if it does, most likely the player is cheating. When you leave the server that had mohaa ci, your skins will still be american_ranger_2, unless you change them. Here in lies the problem, delator in its cheat skins pak has all these skins like i descibed above as cheats. They are not, they were forced by a anti-cheat program called counter intelegence.

Poor pete, no question is a dumb question if you dont understand. As for the skin with the N at the end (american_army_N for instance), NO this is not a cheat. Mohaa CI has updated its program and now forces these skins in its anti-hack skin feature also. It uses both. You can force one or the other or set it to rotate between them on a daily basis.

.Now i'm not saying that there isnt a cheat skin out there that ends with an N or a 2 as I discribed, these hacker rats are making new stuff all the time, but chances are your running into players that came from servers that were running mohaa ci and had these skins forced on them, but they are not cheats

So in the end pete, know that these players, as far as these skins are concerned, are most likely not cheating. One of the only true ways to tell if someone is suspected of cheating is to spectate them while you yourself has some chameleon skins on or other cheat and watch them play. I know that sucks but this whole cheating stuff sucks.

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razorbakill said:
um, will , your wrong, If you've run both programs you would know. Mohaa CI (counter intelgence) another anti-cheat program has a feature that forces skins. (anti-hack skin). What this does is force a skin that dosen't excist (ex. american_ranger_2) and all other stock skins the same way. ( allied_sas_2, german_elite_sentry_2, etc) When you look at your multiplayer options it will say this is the skin you are using (american_ranger_2) but there is no picture or model showing, its blank. This is used with the screenshot, when you ask a player to send you a screenshot that you forced of the models, it should show no models, if it does, most likely the player is cheating. When you leave the server that had mohaa ci, your skins will still be american_ranger_2, unless you change them. Here in lies the problem, delator in its cheat skins pak has all these skins like i descibed above as cheats. They are not, they were forced by a anti-cheat program called counter intelegence.
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Aw, crap :(

I didn't know that. I just assumed that if the force model failed, the client would just default to american_army. I've banned players with these names :(

I've seen clan matches disputed over players with _N and _2 in their skin names. They are _possible_ indications of cheat skins but, as you point out, they could also be left over from CI.

This illustrates how the fragmented anti-cheat movement and almost total lack of publisher and developer support has hurt MOHAA. I wish EA could get its head out of its ass or stop counting its money for a while. Proper anti-cheat should be manditory for any MP game these days.
 
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Yup, does suck Will, I found this out the hard way. I run counter intelegence, auto-kick, and now delator. All 3 at the same time. I was always running ci, it does most of what delator does and it also has the ability to let others in the clan use a remote access (5 remote ports) to my program so they can help control the server without giving out rcon. I then added auto-kick because i would kick someone, or ban, and they would come back on and wouldn't be kicked again until the timelimit i set for scans was reached. Now with auto kick i enter there ip or kick with that, set it to every 5 seconds scan and they dont even get past the loading screen. The only thing with that is make sure you set your ping scan to at least 30. 30 scans at 5 seconds a scan is 3 minutes before they get kicked for high ping.
Then i was running into people with aimbot, so i got delator. The only thing is i cant put modelator (the file you upload to server for delator) on my server, it will conflict with counter intelgence but it still works running just from my computer. It works because in 2 days, i have 4 bans for aimbot, and a couple for cheat skins.
This is how I found out about skins, half my clan mates were kicked and banned for the skin_ 2, and had to take them out of the cheat skin list of delator. Now that I know delator does this i no longer have the anti-hack skin feature enabled in CI, this way Im not causing players when the go to another server after mine, getting kicked for cheat skins when they dont have them.
Your right, its a shame these anti-cheat program makers dont colaberate more so these things dont conflict with each other. Afterall, there all trying to accomplish the same thing, keeping mohaa as cheat free as possible.

PS I feel bad for you with the clan matches. We gave up on them, just to much of a hassle with all the cheating. Now we just make up squads within the clan and match against ourselves, at least we now know were getting a fair match and the fun has come back into the game.
 
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Well, I don't understand why delator doesn't have an option to kick for non-standard skins rather than having a list of "bad skins". The hacker crowds watch the anti-cheat programs to see what skin it forces them to, then they just use that (i.e. like how CI forces skins to _2).

The "TriggerBot" was distributed with the _2 skins, so we will continue to kick players for it. Why take the chance.
 

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Cheat skins

Have seens a few of these arround

Allied_airbourne_n
German_kradshutzen_n

Are these considered cheat skins??
 

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Cheatskin "1" ?

Hello,

in any list I found a skin named "1" which was announced as Cheatskin.
I included it into our Delator and now round about 15 perople/day are detected.
Does anyone has got a screenshot of it, so I know what is detected?

Thanks so far

MzaNike
 
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#76
to porter.. I would guess yes to those skins.

to MzaNike... I could be wrong but putting just the number "1" in the list will detect ANY skin with the number 1 in it.


BTW, Sorry to post to an old thread, but I hate threads not being answerd. and someday someone might need that very answer.
 

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so does this AC only detect skins that have been logged into it? or does it detect shaders? or does it detect changes in the games CRC32? cause if all it does is the first too....then yall are missing a rediculous amount
 
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#78
The Scanner which is out now will detect the skins that is has in it's database.

The Client will detect shaders/CRC/DLL Injection ... anything that has to do with 'glowskins' ... Plus it will detect numerous other cheats not in the glowskin category.
 
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