Buying not Buying Poll

Are you buying or not buying Black Ops 2?

  • Yes I am buying it.

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • No I am not.

    Votes: 21 75.0%

  • Total voters
    28

zeroy

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#2
Buying it. Likely wont play MP all that much but COD SP is usually solid, I also have a number of friend working in Treyarch and curious to see their work. Might wait for cheaper price pass the surge however.....
 

Mr.Ray

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#3
Im not buying it on release. I too like the single player versions that Treyarch does but I can wait until some price drops are noticed in stores.
 

woowoo

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#4
Not buying.

No dedicated servers is the game stopper. I don't care about SP - last SP I finished was CoD4.
 

wcSki

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#5
Not buying, I have always liked the SP play on all COD titles, but no Dedi is a killer. A few hours of SP game play does not make it worth the money when I can not count on playing MP.

Might get it when it goes dirt cheap to check out SP.

Ski
 

BenderOfThings

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#7
Buying. Where are you guys getting this no dedicated servers thing? There is ranked dedicated servers there is just no server browser. Instead, they are using matchmaking and lobbies, which in my opinion is a plus. How many servers in Black Ops just sit there empty? What a waste of money and time for admins and clans. This will be such an easy and headache, and free way to jump in and play the game. I get so sick of trying to find a game that isn't Crouch only or no this or that and grumpy admins that kick you for being too good or for whatever. It's so hard to find a good game these days, I think this will make it easy. The main thing is how well they will be able to keep cheaters out, that remains to be seen...

Sorry I don't post much, but I do visit and read regularly.
 

MaydaX

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#8
Instead, they are using matchmaking and lobbies, which in my opinion is a plus.
I got my first taste of that with MW2 and I hated it (Thankfully I got my money back). Short rounds then sit in a lobby waiting for the next one. Now Treyarch will tell me how I should play the game. No thanks. The rounds in newer shooters are getting shorter and shorter and that where server rentals shine with increased score and time limits.

How many servers in Black Ops just sit there empty? What a waste of money and time for admins and clans.
That is their choice to make. How many people waste money on habits like smoking, drinking, gambling. The list goes on and on but if the person has the money and wants to do it then that is their choice.

Better they pay than me. Someone has to foot the bill in the end.
 

Mr.Ray

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#10
Buying. Where are you guys getting this no dedicated servers thing? There is ranked dedicated servers there is just no server browser. Instead, they are using matchmaking and lobbies, which in my opinion is a plus. How many servers in Black Ops just sit there empty? What a waste of money and time for admins and clans. This will be such an easy and headache, and free way to jump in and play the game. I get so sick of trying to find a game that isn't Crouch only or no this or that and grumpy admins that kick you for being too good or for whatever. It's so hard to find a good game these days, I think this will make it easy. The main thing is how well they will be able to keep cheaters out, that remains to be seen...

Sorry I don't post much, but I do visit and read regularly.


Though this is not really the intent of this thread I will answer to those concerns that you raise....

To me, Dedicated Servers, at least what we call them today are those that I can rent or lease from my friendly GSP. I pay the bills, I set the config, I admin, I set the rules. Can I do that with your new vision of dedicated servers? Obviously no.

If those BO servers are empty then there has to be a reason. It could be that many have moved on to other games. Why are they still up if they are empty? Short answer solution is that those who own those servers should wake up and cancel them and save some money or most of them could be the free to the community servers that have always been there and will be until some executive says take them down.

Im one of those grouchy old admins that insist that when you play in my server with my guys who pay for the server then you best play within our vision and rules or leave. If you stayed and overstayed with a priviledged manner then you will have been removed. Simple economics and common sense really, you arent paying for it so if you dont like what that server is doing with it and with their money then find another. The other solution is that if you cant find a server that suits you then start up one of your own. To my dying day I will never bend to someone who thinks that the game should be played the way that they want simply because they picked my server from a hat or because it was one of the only populated ones in the browser.

Im not coming down on you because I believe that you are entitled to your opinion just as I am and since you put it out there in writing I felt that I could respond to them. Many share your thoughts and many share mine.


I dont think they will be able to keep the cheaters out period, never have and never will in this day and age. PB etc help but nothing can truly replace an on the scene admin/owner of the server, grumpy or otherwise.:cool:
 

ibleedv20

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#11
Buying. Where are you guys getting this no dedicated servers thing? There is ranked dedicated servers there is just no server browser. Instead, they are using matchmaking and lobbies, which in my opinion is a plus. How many servers in Black Ops just sit there empty? What a waste of money and time for admins and clans. This will be such an easy and headache, and free way to jump in and play the game. I get so sick of trying to find a game that isn't Crouch only or no this or that and grumpy admins that kick you for being too good or for whatever. It's so hard to find a good game these days, I think this will make it easy. The main thing is how well they will be able to keep cheaters out, that remains to be seen...

Sorry I don't post much, but I do visit and read regularly.
The rented dedicated server with all that it has to offer is the progenitor of 'Clanning'. It is the online gaming home base from which clans are built. It is irrelevant that one might see an empty server online. Even small clans like to have a dedicated server that is public or closed so that it is easy to play together on ones home turf as they like and the way they like it.

The idea that all servers in a browser must be the same is odd in my view.

Of course AAA developers love the homogeneity since it fulfills their dream of sameness just like a Mcdonalds Cheesburger tastes the same from any other Mcdonalds.

I love the differences that appear with dedicated servers. Especially with modding. Whether it is a Night Maps,Zombie mod,Humorous takes on things ala Alice in Wonderland in COD2, The Xtreme Mod,Promod. Snipers only, Knives only,Crouch, Maps that share assets from game to game,Vietnam Mod, the list goes on and on.

The dedicated servers in BO2 while possibly responsive and low ping for some will be nothing more than the console experience brought to PC. Just one step back from MW2 with those little bars to tell you how great your phoney connection is.

Socializing is building a friends list to party up with when they just happen to be online. Like console. Unlike building a clan with a web presense where social networking and communal work takes place. Networking with other clans,competition,recruiting, photoshopping, clan forums and a lot more.

I guarantee you the claims of security and less hackers will never materialize. The cheaters are way ahead of the game and don't even care about being banned.

The devs want an equal playing field.
Sameness is the operative word here. Blandness. Equal. Boring.
Well maybe that is where things are headed but it is a loss and not a gain in the long run. Same is consistent but it is not more. The more they want to give is paid content that accelerates the half life of the game to dizzying speed. Great maps used to get played for years and paid content pushes everything along so fast that you will never see a map like Carentan from COD2 again. A map that is so intimately known that it takes great skill and responsiveness to stand out among the crowd. But that is probably boring to gamers now. It's just Ok Ok sell me the next map in 2 weeks.

Just my take. :)
 

zeroy

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#12
The dedicated servers in BO2 while possibly responsive and low ping for some will be nothing more than the console experience brought to PC.
The way I see it COD has decided at one point (MW2) that there was more money to be made out of player's ego and self-praising than there was in the Clan/Team type play. They actually came out and said it. The result of this after a few iteration is a totally anti-clan/team-friendly game controls by the Publisher/Studio with the aim at making as much money as possible in the smallest time possible. While many actually enjoy this I think in the long run it will simply die out. Clans and communities are a much better bet for long term loyalty but COD has gone far from that now.
 

Pendragon

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#13
I know there is a lot of doom and gloom about Black Ops II. However I have sort of given up on the idea of AAA titles giving us what we want. The games of ten years ago with some new shiny bits. So I'm looking forward to Black Ops II, I'm looking forward to playing the single player and the multi-player game. Me and a few of my clan m8's kicking back with a few beers and a lot of laughs. So we wont have a server of our own. If the other players tick us off we wont be able to kick them but there is nothing stopping us from finding another server. It's what we have been doing with Warfighter and BF:3... Server raiding eight of us jump a server together and kick some butt. I guess if we want the old days back we should play the old games... Or play the new Indy games that still support that type of thing. However it's too much to ask the AAA titles to do it, the business model has moved on.
 

BenderOfThings

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#15
Though this is not really the intent of this thread I will answer to those concerns that you raise....

To me, Dedicated Servers, at least what we call them today are those that I can rent or lease from my friendly GSP. I pay the bills, I set the config, I admin, I set the rules. Can I do that with your new vision of dedicated servers? Obviously no.

If those BO servers are empty then there has to be a reason. It could be that many have moved on to other games. Why are they still up if they are empty? Short answer solution is that those who own those servers should wake up and cancel them and save some money or most of them could be the free to the community servers that have always been there and will be until some executive says take them down.

Im one of those grouchy old admins that insist that when you play in my server with my guys who pay for the server then you best play within our vision and rules or leave. If you stayed and overstayed with a priviledged manner then you will have been removed. Simple economics and common sense really, you arent paying for it so if you dont like what that server is doing with it and with their money then find another. The other solution is that if you cant find a server that suits you then start up one of your own. To my dying day I will never bend to someone who thinks that the game should be played the way that they want simply because they picked my server from a hat or because it was one of the only populated ones in the browser.

Im not coming down on you because I believe that you are entitled to your opinion just as I am and since you put it out there in writing I felt that I could respond to them. Many share your thoughts and many share mine.


I dont think they will be able to keep the cheaters out period, never have and never will in this day and age. PB etc help but nothing can truly replace an on the scene admin/owner of the server, grumpy or otherwise.:cool:

Thanks for the response, but to me, the problem with the mentality that "I rent the server therefore I can make up the rules and if you don't like it, go somewhere else" ruins the game that the developers intended to make. you may have paid for and run the server, but I paid for the game and I shouldn't have to rent and run my own server just to play the game the way it was intended to be played.

I do think they should allow unranked dedi's to be rented and modded, but leave to ranked vanilla game alone. I use to run several clans and admin servers and it was such a headache, it really toke the fun out of playing the game. I just want to play the game that the devs make. It's so much more fun to party up with some friends/clan mates and go in and pwn or at least try to and not worry about rules and some admin enforcing his beliefs. Again, the big question with this game is going to be how well they are going to be able to squash hackers. I think because they are running them on dedicated servers and will be able to run their anti cheat software plus have live admins as well as in game reporting, I think they will do as good a job as any anti-cheat out there.
 

zeroy

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#16
Thanks for the response, but to me, the problem with the mentality that "I rent the server therefore I can make up the rules and if you don't like it, go somewhere else" ruins the game that the developers intended to make.
How so? They make the game for the players and if they provide options to alter Server then its still as intended! :cool:
 

MaydaX

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#17
Thanks for the response, but to me, the problem with the mentality that "I rent the server therefore I can make up the rules and if you don't like it, go somewhere else" ruins the game that the developers intended to make. you may have paid for and run the server, but I paid for the game and I shouldn't have to rent and run my own server just to play the game the way it was intended to be played.

Simple offer both like Valve did in CS:GO



Community Servers = Rentals / user hosted (public server files ftw) and a server browser.

Play a Game / Play with Friends = Matchmaking on a Valve hosted server.

However I think the matchmaking may still put you on community servers but if so it may be a bug.

Figures Valve doing it right yet again.
 

wcSki

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#18
Thanks for the response, but to me, the problem with the mentality that "I rent the server therefore I can make up the rules and if you don't like it, go somewhere else" ruins the game that the developers intended to make. you may have paid for and run the server, but I paid for the game and I shouldn't have to rent and run my own server just to play the game the way it was intended to be played.
Nobody ever said you HAD TO... there have always been plenty of "stock" server out there for you to play the game the way the developer intended it. You do NOT have to join a server with rules you do not like. It's called personal choice, choices are good.

Ski
 

Mr.Ray

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#19
Thanks for the response, but to me, the problem with the mentality that "I rent the server therefore I can make up the rules and if you don't like it, go somewhere else" ruins the game that the developers intended to make. you may have paid for and run the server, but I paid for the game and I shouldn't have to rent and run my own server just to play the game the way it was intended to be played.
Well we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one. :D

If I was looking for traffic then my rules on my server would be considerably softer but since it is owned by a good number of my members then they dictate the directions that need to be taken to achieve their vision of fun in the game that the devs made. We also have enough regulars to fill out the server while having no problems with the way it is admin'd. The public players that come in and play either get what we are doing and stick around or they leave or get removed.

I dont believe that the devs made the game to be run vanilla. They gave out enough adjustable options to allow all the gamers to tailor their servers to their style of play, their vision. Like you I too had to buy the game and I am personally happy to be able to have a server to share with likeminded gamers. As one who has bought the game as well it allows you the freedom to play the game wherever you like but it doesnt not in any shape or form give you the right to dictate the style of play on any server. Lots of vanilla servers out there with no rules, no options or anything in effect. Find them and enjoy them but dont ever think that the power of investment in the game gives you any rights whatsoever on a clan based or otherwise paid for server run by others.
 

GreyMaster

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#20
Sorry for my poor english. I already preordered it. SP must be good as usualy. WAW, BO was better than MW2-MW3 SP imho. But first of all my main hope for funny MP, same as MW2-MW3. I remember the times of "cybersport" vcod-cod2-cod4(mw). It's great history of COD series and nostalgic for me. But now, i need rest only :D Game lobby system as MW2-MW3 is the best for FUN. We still play with my old school friends. And... pls get back PB! Impossible i know... But was much better than "VAC":D
 
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